Well, that was dumb

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
02/03/2014 at 16:03 • Filed to: None

I work in HR at my company. There's a coordinator girl in our department getting fired today. Everybody in the department except her knows it already. But we just had a 45 minute meeting including this girl, to go over a bunch of new processes and how we should handle different kinds of circumstances. So there was lots of this girl asking questions, and my boss telling her how to handle things, but she's not actually going to be here tomorrow. Gotta keep up appearances until the end of the day I suppose.

So, here's a 3.0 CSL art car.

Edit: So I should clarify a few things:

1. She's a temp covering a coordinator job until we hire someone full time. Her main responsibility is to schedule interviews. But several people who have asked her to schedule interviews, including me, she's told them she can't do it because she's too busy.

2. When she's asked to do other things, she often instead of saying "ok I'll do that" says "we should do it this other way that's more convenient for me instead" and usually her idea does not actually satisfy the original request. She argues like this all the time. I try to be nice with her but she's argumentative with me anyway.

3. She and I have the same boss who has told me about it so I know what's up if there's some kind of scene, but I would be putting myself at risk if I said anything to this girl, because in the heat of the moment of getting fired, what if she lets slip that I told her?

4. The decision to fire her was just made today and I only found out a couple hours before said meeting.

DISCUSSION (47)

WorldRallyBlog > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:06

Unless she's getting this car as a parting gift, and something tells me she isn't, it's a sad story. Why didn't you tell her she's going to get fired. That meeting could have been much more fun.

XJDano > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:06

each response started with

"Thats a good question, I'm glad you asked"

RacecaR > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:06

The corporate world is weird.

505Turbeaux > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:06

ah the Calder car....

Anyhow that is shitty, they dont want her to wipe her computer or anything? At my company it doesnt happen too often luckily, but when it does IT knows before they call you in and that is it

Dunnik > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:07

I'd have left her an anonymous note on her desk.

I'd then start to update my resume.

TheBaron2112 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:07

That's what I hate about HR and bosses, in particular. It's super shitty.

There has to be a polite way to let them know when you find out.

Bytemite > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:08

Why is she getting fired? How is working in HR btw, its my career aspiration.

John Bulzacchelli > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:09

Ask her if she likes cars and then email her this link

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:10

And you are a rotten piece of shit! Oh wait, HR, figures. You should at least give her some advanced notice so that she can find another job.

If she's really that bad, how would she not know?

pdx107 > RacecaR
02/03/2014 at 16:14

I think you confused weird with stupid

jariten1781 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:14

What was the reason they were holding off the notification. If it's not some serious shit, you all have a policy problem.

Frank Grimes > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:14

You could at least move her office to a poorly lit basement with mold and rats everywhere and hope she quits on her own.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:16

Seems to me that posting about someone who is getting fired, and doesn't know it, on a public forum, during work hours, presumably from a company computer (that's an assumption though, so sorry if I got that part wrong) is a pretty big HR violation/issue... Just sayin'. ;)

Victorious Secret > dogisbadob
02/03/2014 at 16:17

This.

If you are that bad, you are told right away. If you are simply being let go, you're also told so you don't waste time.

Stringing someone along like that? Bullshit.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Frank Grimes
02/03/2014 at 16:21

That's probably worse.

dogisbadob > Frank Grimes
02/03/2014 at 16:24

How dare you deprive her of her red swingline stapler. How cruel!

Klaus Schmoll > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:25

That's one of the problems I have with the whole term "Human Resources", people are fellow human beings not a resource that can be mined and traded like coal or oar. That being said, your boss is a dick and a coward. Or maybe he likes to get high on power? Anyway, not a person I'd like to have a beer with. I'm sure this whole situation could have been handled much more maturely.

shitbird8000 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:26

hi, fuck your CSL and fuck your career, get a real job you degenerate

Orange Exige > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:27

That's f*cked up.

Also, I only read your post because of the Bimmer art car you posted above it - not even gonna lie.

RacecaR > Victorious Secret
02/03/2014 at 16:28

She will still get paid for the time she is "wasting".

I've lost my job, twice, because of mergers/contracts and other random bullshit. Both times, I ended up right back in my old job. Same desk, same phone number, doing work for the same company in the end. The first time it happened, I knew it was coming, but still just hung around collecting pay checks until the upper folks had the balls to call me and tell me they fucked around too long to renew my contract.
And honestly, the company does not owe her any explanation or advance notice.

As for her not know she sucks, read this.
Dunning–Kruger effect

There used to be a woman that worked for the company I work for. She sucked at her job. Everyone but her knew it. She was in her own world of ignorant bliss. She got fired.

And do not get me wrong. I hate corporations. I hate what they stand for. I hate the bullshit they put employees through. Pretty much everything about them. Luckily I work for a small company. We just charge a large corporation to do work for them. HA!

Textured Soy Protein > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
02/03/2014 at 16:29

That's what phones are for. ;)

RacecaR > pdx107
02/03/2014 at 16:30

No weird as in they have no idea of what a human being is, instead of a disposable resource they use to get work done so they can make bank above and beyond the employees salary.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
02/03/2014 at 16:30

Posted some edits to clarify...

pdx107 > RacecaR
02/03/2014 at 16:30

exactly, it is also terribly stupid. I hate the corporate environment. I really wish I would have stayed with my state job instead....

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:31

I was guessing you knew better than to use a work comp, being in HR. Hence my parenthetical disclaimer. haha

Textured Soy Protein > WorldRallyBlog
02/03/2014 at 16:31

I'm not her boss. We have the same boss. I can't tell her and then have her tell my boss that she found out from me.

Textured Soy Protein > Klaus Schmoll
02/03/2014 at 16:33

See my edits above. But basically, girl is actively bad at her job argues with people who ask her to do things that are her job.

Textured Soy Protein > RacecaR
02/03/2014 at 16:34

Well, in this case, she had it coming. More details in my edits.

Textured Soy Protein > Victorious Secret
02/03/2014 at 16:39

My boss has tried several times to explain to this girl what she is doing wrong. It hasn't stuck. Today was the final decision to let her go. More detail in my edits to the original post.

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:39

Nope, just makes it even worse.

I bet your boss told the agency it was "temp to hire" right? Rotten to both her and the agency. If it was a true temporary job, she'd already know the end date. It a very common thing to tell staffing agencies it's temp to hire when you're really just looking for a bench warming placeholder. And that's what they got. Ask her how much she got paid; I bet it's much less than the agency led your boss to believe. Even though the agency may have told you and her that she cannot discuss it with you, YES IT CAN be discussed because it is a legally protected activity .

Item #2 is a direct result of using a temp in the first place. You get what you pay for. And it sounds like the company treated her the way she treated you. One question though, did she start out good and then turn bad?

Good to know that Kinja extended the edit time (used to be 15 min)

Textured Soy Protein > jariten1781
02/03/2014 at 16:40

Decision was just made today.

Brian Silvestro > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:45

Is she hot?

She's probably hot guys.

jariten1781 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:46

Ahh, she's a temp? That's different. Still wouldn't have invited her to the training.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
02/03/2014 at 16:50

The agency was told it was temp only. After she started, a full time position was opened up. She applied for it, but by then she was already causing problems (at that time I didn't know about them) so wasn't considered because of her performance.

I actually was the last person to find out she was having problems. I was always super nice to her, very polite, and she was usually helpful to me. But I guess when other people started complaining about her to my boss, and my boss started telling her about the complaints, she started acting that way towards me.

Even now that she's acting like this, I've never argued back with her. Just this morning I asked her very nicely do something and she got argumentative. I never yelled, never argued, calmly explained why I needed her help, so could she please do what I was asking, but she kept acting pissed off. She came by my desk this afternoon to apologize for snapping at me. But this is far from the first time and she often does not apologize.

Textured Soy Protein > Brian Silvestro
02/03/2014 at 16:51

Nope

Brian Silvestro > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:52

Well then she deserved it.

Textured Soy Protein > TheBaron2112
02/03/2014 at 16:57

I posted some edits to my original post.

WorldRallyBlog > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 16:59

That and the explanation you added to original post is enough for me. Lovely car. What girl?

TheBaron2112 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 17:06

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't mean to indict you as being shitty to her.

And it certainly sounds like this is warranted.

My comment is in response to my own experience with coworkers at my place of business. The majority of the times people have been "laid off" (read: fired) have been because they're not doing enough work and are too expensive. So the decision is made to fire them, it gets passed down to the local boss, and the local boss has had to sit on it for a day or two while the regional boss comes in to actually do the firing.

Since we're such a tight knit office, I dislike the idea of one person having to sit on hurtful information.

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 17:11

Wow she sounds like a basket case! She also sounds like someone that would steal from the company.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
02/03/2014 at 17:30

Glad you let me explain myself. ;)

Textured Soy Protein > 505Turbeaux
02/03/2014 at 17:32

Decision was just made today. I added some clarification to my original post.

Textured Soy Protein > Bytemite
02/03/2014 at 17:34

Added clarification to my original post. HR is...interesting. ;) I do technical recruiting so I'm a bit more removed from the political stuff but sometimes it spills over in my direction.

iDriveCode3 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 18:22

Workplace gossip is nasty stuff. I can guarantee that there's already too much of it going around (because it always does). Good on you for keeping what's told to you in confidence.

505Turbeaux > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 18:28

ah gotcha. Yeah such is the corporate life man.

pdx107 > Textured Soy Protein
02/03/2014 at 18:45

Indeed she did. Still, I hate the way corporate world works

N/A POWAAAHH > shitbird8000
02/03/2014 at 20:14

Kinja'd!!!